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"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 05/01/2015 at 13:17 • Filed to: J5

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My afternoon productivity is ruined

CalzoneGolem > HammerheadFistpunch 05/01/2015 at 14:03

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Yeah, like you were going to be productive.

HammerheadFistpunch > CalzoneGolem 05/01/2015 at 14:06

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Its true, I’m 5 hours away from leaving on a trip that takes me here.

DrJohannVegas > HammerheadFistpunch 06/17/2015 at 17:27

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Hey Hammerhead, I wanted to put this in an older post so that you get it, but it doesn’t dredge up more comments. I’ll keep it short: When you say someone is getting “a similar comment”, you should really consider whether a list of warnings, discussions of “getting heated/emotional”, and the like is comparable to a gentle “don’t be a dick, even though it wasn’t clear you were being a dick” and a pat on the back. That’s the kind of tone which makes some users concerned about the way mods handle things. But, what do I know? You guys are the experts on tone around here.

HammerheadFistpunch > DrJohannVegas 06/17/2015 at 17:35

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My comment to bigblock was that he was being a dick, and he got a warning but he doesn’t have a prior history and I hope that continues. They were similar, but Yamahog’s response was more direct and included additional information because she does have a history and we want to be as clear as we can going forward. You’ll notice that the “heated/emotion” bit was my personal opinion. We all do get emotional, its not a fault, its not disparaging...its fact. That comment was directed at the fact that I personally understand that its frustrating, im not sure where the offense in that is. You have personal/emotional stake in this game and I understand your frustration but I think you are compromised by that emotional connection. We are trying to enforce the rules in the most fair and clear way we can. We took 24 hours and nearly 80 back and forths between at least 11 people to come to the decisions that we did. The truth is that I knew, as the mouthpiece for the group, that I would take heat for this. As a father im used to the idea that every now and again I need to be the bad guy and I can handle it. Its tough taking lumps, I get that, but don’t shoot the messenger.

DrJohannVegas > HammerheadFistpunch 06/17/2015 at 17:51

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Thanks for getting back to me on this one. I respect your appraisal of my emotional state, although, in the same fashion as I don’t know exactly how you are thinking, you don’t know exactly how I am thinking. If I can be a bit clearer on this point, it comes down to a perception of different treatment of users who, in the context of oppo or kinja, are assumed to be men or women. When the language lines up with stereotype/dominant identity roles, especially in the context of a discussion over identity, that’s gonna raise some ire. I know you didn’t make this call alone, and I know that the mods take lumps (hell, I’ve even thrown some of them), but all I am trying to emphasize is that, in the same fashion in which you expressed concern about tone, the same concerns could be raised in the opposite direction, and it’s a matter of perspective. It’s tone all the way down.

I’m not sure I would have decided differently than the mod team did. I don’t know what the conversation was, but if you had one of that breadth, then I thank you for taking the time to consider the situation. But, if you are going to put your personal opinion in there on top of a decision, prepare to be asked to account for it. Maybe you were trying to help cool things down, but that’s not the way to do it, in my opinion. The tone, from someone in a position of responsibility and power, smacks of dismissiveness.

We don’t always agree, and we don’t always disagree, but on this one, I think you called it wrong when it came time to deliver the message. No hostility (maybe a bit of snark, but just for flavor, I can’t abandon my Northeast roots), just a desire to let you know where some of the other folks watching things stand. Above all, no shooting messengers. That’s why I buried this thing over here.

Final note: I know it’s meant to give context, and I know you meant it to be a way of saying you can take it, but there’s no need to invoke your paternal status on this one. Go hang out with your kids, and have a good night.

HammerheadFistpunch > DrJohannVegas 06/17/2015 at 17:57

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Thanks and I respect your opinion on the way I handled it. We all come from different places and its its hard, if not impossible, to predict how what one says on the keyboard with no additional contextual clue will be interpreted. I’m fine your opinion that I called it wrong, again I can take it. On that note, I can also take full account of my personal opinions and wasn’t aware that I had given any indication that I wasn’t able. Final note: and don’t take this personally, but my decision to invoke my parental status is so trivial its amazing that its worth mentioning if it was offensive somehow I’m sorry.

DrJohannVegas > HammerheadFistpunch 06/17/2015 at 18:01

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The internet is a funny thing. Easy communication, hard understanding. Glad we had this chat. Be well.